We’re joined by foreign policy advisor Matt Duss to discuss the future of the conflict in Ukraine. What comes next? Matt is wary of the calls to sanction, ramp up military action, and escalate the conflict — after all, so many of these calls are coming from the Beltway, where war hawks and defense contractors would love to see a World War III. To him, the question for this moment is “How do we protect human life most effectively?” That doesn’t mean plunging millions more people into financial destitution through sanctions, or creating a no-fly zone that will launch us into a much more dire situation. Instead, the moment for diplomatic discussion and resolution is here. We hope that the most will be made of it.
I’m not even going to listen to this. After his train wreck appearance on briahna Joy gray’s show earlier this week, I can honestly say this is a step too far for me. K&K need to be inviting John Mearsheimer on their show, not this total moron. Or Aaron Mate. Or even Glenn.
I will now be unsubscribing from this show, and Breaking Points. I’m getting enough shrill liberal moralizing from the rest of the media. I’m not paying for more, here. You guys were supposed to be independent voices, unbought by the corporate overlords. And what do you actually do with this freedom? Bring on Matt “NATO liberal” Duss? I’m not paying for interviews with a stenographer for the deep state natsec blob. Get real.
Yeah, I just unsubscribed. Really disappointed. Arguing that nato expansion helped bring us to this moment, is NOT a justification for Putin’s actions. It’s a critique of the American role. You can critique both Putin, and US hegemony.
Kyle, you are not presenting the "Leftist view" at all by parroting Russian propaganda points like they are facts. This has been the greatest disappointment to find out someone I have followed for over half a decade has such a disturbing apologetic stance towards an imperialistic nation. After everything you said of our invasion of Iraq you now blindly gobble up any false, or falsely presented, argument you can find. I will be unsubscribing and urge you to try to be open to seeing the world in a less simplistic way. "USA/Nato = bad" is not the answer to every international situation, but your view is completely distorted by your preconceived notion that in the US MUST be the nefarious actor in every encounter. Ukraine can decide its own foreign policy, it is a sovereign nation and has nothing to do with Russia today. The only reason they wanted to join NATO in the first place is because they felt threatened by Russia, an aggressive, authoritarian nuclear power that has routinely threatened and invaded its neighbours. I am in disbelief how you can still argue that the west is the aggressor in this situation. Ukraine asking us for weapons is not an aggressive act, as they simply want to be ready to defend themselves. No one wants to attack Russia, not Europe, not NATO and not Ukraine. Not only do none of us give a shit, but we have never threatened Russia and have no interest in doing so. Nobody will invade Russia, they are a nuclear power. Russia does not have a right to dictate foreign policy of its neighbours, that is simply absurd. Everybody agrees Nazis are bad, but firstly, it is a tiny and politically irrelevant fringe part of Ukraine and its army, and secondy Russia has much larger such batallions of their own. In fact, every nation has some insane fringe extremist groups, as you know very well from your own country. It simply does not matter, that is an internal affair of Ukraine, it is not a justification for Russia to invade and it is absolutely understandable that the Ukrainian army would use any means necessary when they are invaded by the enormous army of Russia. Lastly, the regions of Ukraine with a partially or even majority ethnically Russian people is still, obviously, a part of Ukraine. That is not how borders work, you cannot simply take parts of another country because you argue they are your people. That is Hitler's and now Putin's way of thinking, it should not be yours. Even if they want to join Russia, they cannot simply secede. Again, look at US history to maybe have an example you can understand. Even the argument of referendum, despite the fact that none of this would be legal or recognizable anyways, is moot because it was conducted in a country run by armed seperatists, under unlawful conditions with a Russian army presence and after years of Russia-funded propaganda discent. Despite all the other points, you simply cannot argue that such an election can be taken seriously or be considered unbiased. The simple truth is at follows, no one is threatening Russia. It is not the problem of its neighbours that Russia feels threatened, or wants a military base somewhere, or wants Ukraine's resources. It is an insane argument to say that it should then logically be expected and understood that Russia would go ahead and should simply take those things. You know what normal countries do? They have good relations with their neighbours. Simple as that. They trade, they make deals, they uphold their word and they DO NOT THREATEN THEM with violence if they do not comply. You are supporting an authoritarian imperialistic regime by parroting their propaganda and I am immensely disappointed in your absolute inhumane inability to learn on this issue. For me, this is a deal breaker and I will have to unsubscribe as I can no longer support this disgusting dehumanization of Russia's victims. Try to be a better man than that Kyle, seriously. After 7 years I'm out.
So a white guy (Eminem) can make a whole album about killing his ex, and get to play at the Super Bowl halftime, but when a black guys makes art about kidnapping his ex’s new bf, it’s “disturbing”?
42:30 oh for fuck sake Kyle, you can't really believe what you said there?
"russian speaking ukrainians" are not "ethnic russians" in the same way as "english speaking irish" are not "ethnic english"
the only way that NATO expansion does to russia is taking of the table the option of russia invading the country that joined. the so called "nato expansion" was never NATO strongarming a country to join, it was always a country coming to NATO and asking "which hoops I have to jump through and which boots I have to lick to be allowed to join"
And don't repeat russian lies about attacks against civilian population. Russian soldiers dropped the uniforms and called themselves separatists and started the war.
It's so annoying when people being against USA imperialism see the situation where by accident USA is against imperialism and their brain crashes.
I’m not even going to listen to this. After his train wreck appearance on briahna Joy gray’s show earlier this week, I can honestly say this is a step too far for me. K&K need to be inviting John Mearsheimer on their show, not this total moron. Or Aaron Mate. Or even Glenn.
I will now be unsubscribing from this show, and Breaking Points. I’m getting enough shrill liberal moralizing from the rest of the media. I’m not paying for more, here. You guys were supposed to be independent voices, unbought by the corporate overlords. And what do you actually do with this freedom? Bring on Matt “NATO liberal” Duss? I’m not paying for interviews with a stenographer for the deep state natsec blob. Get real.
Yeah, I just unsubscribed. Really disappointed. Arguing that nato expansion helped bring us to this moment, is NOT a justification for Putin’s actions. It’s a critique of the American role. You can critique both Putin, and US hegemony.
Kyle, you are not presenting the "Leftist view" at all by parroting Russian propaganda points like they are facts. This has been the greatest disappointment to find out someone I have followed for over half a decade has such a disturbing apologetic stance towards an imperialistic nation. After everything you said of our invasion of Iraq you now blindly gobble up any false, or falsely presented, argument you can find. I will be unsubscribing and urge you to try to be open to seeing the world in a less simplistic way. "USA/Nato = bad" is not the answer to every international situation, but your view is completely distorted by your preconceived notion that in the US MUST be the nefarious actor in every encounter. Ukraine can decide its own foreign policy, it is a sovereign nation and has nothing to do with Russia today. The only reason they wanted to join NATO in the first place is because they felt threatened by Russia, an aggressive, authoritarian nuclear power that has routinely threatened and invaded its neighbours. I am in disbelief how you can still argue that the west is the aggressor in this situation. Ukraine asking us for weapons is not an aggressive act, as they simply want to be ready to defend themselves. No one wants to attack Russia, not Europe, not NATO and not Ukraine. Not only do none of us give a shit, but we have never threatened Russia and have no interest in doing so. Nobody will invade Russia, they are a nuclear power. Russia does not have a right to dictate foreign policy of its neighbours, that is simply absurd. Everybody agrees Nazis are bad, but firstly, it is a tiny and politically irrelevant fringe part of Ukraine and its army, and secondy Russia has much larger such batallions of their own. In fact, every nation has some insane fringe extremist groups, as you know very well from your own country. It simply does not matter, that is an internal affair of Ukraine, it is not a justification for Russia to invade and it is absolutely understandable that the Ukrainian army would use any means necessary when they are invaded by the enormous army of Russia. Lastly, the regions of Ukraine with a partially or even majority ethnically Russian people is still, obviously, a part of Ukraine. That is not how borders work, you cannot simply take parts of another country because you argue they are your people. That is Hitler's and now Putin's way of thinking, it should not be yours. Even if they want to join Russia, they cannot simply secede. Again, look at US history to maybe have an example you can understand. Even the argument of referendum, despite the fact that none of this would be legal or recognizable anyways, is moot because it was conducted in a country run by armed seperatists, under unlawful conditions with a Russian army presence and after years of Russia-funded propaganda discent. Despite all the other points, you simply cannot argue that such an election can be taken seriously or be considered unbiased. The simple truth is at follows, no one is threatening Russia. It is not the problem of its neighbours that Russia feels threatened, or wants a military base somewhere, or wants Ukraine's resources. It is an insane argument to say that it should then logically be expected and understood that Russia would go ahead and should simply take those things. You know what normal countries do? They have good relations with their neighbours. Simple as that. They trade, they make deals, they uphold their word and they DO NOT THREATEN THEM with violence if they do not comply. You are supporting an authoritarian imperialistic regime by parroting their propaganda and I am immensely disappointed in your absolute inhumane inability to learn on this issue. For me, this is a deal breaker and I will have to unsubscribe as I can no longer support this disgusting dehumanization of Russia's victims. Try to be a better man than that Kyle, seriously. After 7 years I'm out.
So a white guy (Eminem) can make a whole album about killing his ex, and get to play at the Super Bowl halftime, but when a black guys makes art about kidnapping his ex’s new bf, it’s “disturbing”?
42:30 oh for fuck sake Kyle, you can't really believe what you said there?
"russian speaking ukrainians" are not "ethnic russians" in the same way as "english speaking irish" are not "ethnic english"
the only way that NATO expansion does to russia is taking of the table the option of russia invading the country that joined. the so called "nato expansion" was never NATO strongarming a country to join, it was always a country coming to NATO and asking "which hoops I have to jump through and which boots I have to lick to be allowed to join"
And don't repeat russian lies about attacks against civilian population. Russian soldiers dropped the uniforms and called themselves separatists and started the war.
It's so annoying when people being against USA imperialism see the situation where by accident USA is against imperialism and their brain crashes.
I'm listening to this way later but less than 4 weeks after that discussion we learned what happened in Bucha.
Any "limiting the casualties" idea that suggest russia should stay in control over any part of Ukraine is stupid.