He is such a child, with a mindset of everybody can change. (Even though he knows none of them will change because he's been at this long enough to know that they are all liars) It's just a bad joke. He just wants to have it both ways. Take the money and be on the left. You can't do both
Cenk is so arrogant. I watched as he would spout off about this live a few months back. He just doesn’t get it that he’s wrong. It’s almost like he’s in shock. Five months in and he still doesn’t want to believe what he is seeing. And his ego is preventing him from seeing things clearly.
Your comment makes little sense. I’ve not stated anything about my thoughts. Your assumption is that I agree with Kyle and Krystal.
I lean that way yes. I can recognize when someone is dug in and unwilling to listen to reason. I can also recognize that most of MAGA is simply misled.
That being said, I can’t stop a scared ostrich from jamming its head into the sand.
I see this ridiculous stance Cenk has through a similar lens that naive white people in the mid-20th Century thought talking to segregationists about Jim Crow laws before the Civil Rights Movement would make them see reason and abandon their evil bigotries. Spoiler, it didn't.
We didn't win the fight for ending Jim Crow and legalized, Southern white supremist laws by trying to reason with the white supremacists. The left pulled America to the right decision and did so by completely ignoring every white supremacist institution, including the Southern churches who perpetuated the racism.
The good whites weren't turned off by us ignoring them and came to our side without the need to coddle their balls, the way Cenk thinks we must do with the "gettable" magas. The only people who dug in their heels were the conservative Democrats (Dixiecrats), and they just ended up so pissed off at the Democratic party for basically tossing them in the dumpster of history, that they were grateful to the Repub party for digging them out of our trash and welcoming them to their current home.
The fight for the soul of America, and its advances like the end of slavery, end of Jim Crow, womens' suffrage, LGBT rights has always and will always be from leftist movements. Cenk thinking he can change the inherent, underlying ideology of right-wing thought is not only arrogant on his part, but ignorant of history, and idiotic on its face.
Exactly, perfectly said! I’ve probably read a dozen books on this and he seems to not know the history of this movement. His arrogance leads him to believe HE is the one who can change their minds! Delusional!!
God bless you Kyle! You're a real mvp of the left. Cenk just spent 10 years attacking neoliberals and saying we can't work with them to turn around and say we need to work with nazis, not even centrist.
The composure of Kyle and Krystal in this interview are exactly why they are the best voices on the left right now. Cenk is largely right when it comes to Israel and Iran, but he comes across as an absolute bigoted piece of shit. Petulant children shouldn’t run countries or news networks.
Cenk is a maga shill, he deserves to be shit on. IDC, Kyle is right by letting him have it, and let's be honest this is what we need is more fire and outrage! Enough fucking hand holding on the left. We need action.
I was legit waiting for Cenk to take out a tampon and offer it to Krystal. He sounds no different than the PBD crew but just with more made up percentages.
Trying to explain or talk facts with any maga is impossible. I gave up irl as they make up excuses, move the goal posts, or just parrot what the news gives as a “reason” for why the politicians on the right are doing/did something. The time for speaking to deaf ears is over. You call it like it is, you get the actual middle/independents aware of the truth and you activate those who are idle in the Democrat party. Cenk is conflating this bs by insisting the middle is partly on the right. They are not. They are the middle. They aren’t the right. MAGA is gonna maga. You can’t fix stupid. You dont let hate rule. From where i come from nazis get punched for simply existing bc we don’t put up with hate even the slightest. Bc you give them an inch, they run for the mile until they are opposed. Stop playing footsies with maga Cenk, and stop saying you’re not and acting all innocent like you are going for the independents. If that was the case you wouldn’t be on right wing media/podcasts. You are obvious, and unlike the right (or as you call “the middle”) we aren’t gullible. We aren’t taking you by your words. We are taking you by your actions. Kyle was 100% right to yell. Thank you Kyle and Krystal for this exposé on the grift of Cenk Uygur.
TBH I was disappointed with how all parties acted and reacted in this one. I'm a fan of all 3 of you and have been for over a decade now and instead of finding common ground and having civil disagreements you both refused to hear the other person's opinion and would straw-man the other argument. All parties would intentionally ignore the nuance or the argument and misrepresent their arguments. I shut it off after 30mins because it was sad to see people with such common views attempt to destroy the intentions of the other party with bad faith arguments.
I agree with you Tim I think both sides were getting too worked up and straw manning each other. And I’m also with you that I’m a fan of all three and still am
All Cenk proved in this interview is that he is a fat piece of condescending shit who's completely full of himself and full of kaka.. just join maga and get it over with you fat turd
I'm sorry, but the questions are pretty straight-forward, but it seems like he defaults to being defensive. When you have to say, "I'm being genuine..." and "I'm being sincere..." generally means you aren't. It seems like diversion and deflection so he doesn't admit that he was wrong about something. I think he has ADD.
This was a bad conversation. I have a lot of respect for all three people that are part of this video. In my opinion, strategy disagreements should be the LEAST passionate arguments that should occur. At the end of the day, all strategies are less than perfect. I believe we should do all strategies at the same time. Cenk seemed to be arguing for being optimistic, and K&K seemed to be on the side of being pessimistic. Both sides lost because neither side changed their minds.
So i understand and agree with Cenks strategy, I just don't think he has the demeanor to message it with left hosts like this. He did much better in the last 15-20 minutes.
I think if Krystal and Kyle did more of going on shows (like Kyle did with pbd), with the purpose of making republican politicians, Trump, and the hosts they are on with look like hypocrites, not care about the TFGs, and reach out to the viewers that are independent, and fall for the lies out of ignorance, they could do a great job. Same with Sam.
Finally, sometimes you guys need a neutral moderator to pull both sides out of their perception of the argument, and set everything on the correct grounds. The arguments come across like you guys disagree on 90% of everything, when really you guys have a major strategic difference to get to a very similar goal.
Are they though? You might be right, but we dont know that. Probably Rogan and Bill Maher, but what about Tim Pool, Tucker, Banon? Then you have shows they surely aren't banned from and could try to get on like Tim Dillon, Theo Von, and Brilliant Idiots. They could easily dominate these spaces. Anywhere that has a large right-wing or independent audience, they should be getting on.
Cenk doesn't seem to understand that their sense of identity, grievance, hatred, and lust for revenge will overpower any values they claim to have. They will not have the courage to defy their leader or any of their friends that continue to support him.
He is such a child, with a mindset of everybody can change. (Even though he knows none of them will change because he's been at this long enough to know that they are all liars) It's just a bad joke. He just wants to have it both ways. Take the money and be on the left. You can't do both
Yeah, like Dave Smith. None of them can change.
Dave Smith is not MAGA. Cenk starts talking about MAGA and pivots to loosely associated Libertarians and Indoendents.
Cenk sees them all as MAGA/AF.
Dave Smith is not MAGA. Cenk starts talking about MAGA and pivots to loosely associated Libertarians and Indoendents.
Why take this viewpoint?
Cenk is so arrogant. I watched as he would spout off about this live a few months back. He just doesn’t get it that he’s wrong. It’s almost like he’s in shock. Five months in and he still doesn’t want to believe what he is seeing. And his ego is preventing him from seeing things clearly.
Or is it your ego?
Your comment makes little sense. I’ve not stated anything about my thoughts. Your assumption is that I agree with Kyle and Krystal.
I lean that way yes. I can recognize when someone is dug in and unwilling to listen to reason. I can also recognize that most of MAGA is simply misled.
That being said, I can’t stop a scared ostrich from jamming its head into the sand.
I see this ridiculous stance Cenk has through a similar lens that naive white people in the mid-20th Century thought talking to segregationists about Jim Crow laws before the Civil Rights Movement would make them see reason and abandon their evil bigotries. Spoiler, it didn't.
We didn't win the fight for ending Jim Crow and legalized, Southern white supremist laws by trying to reason with the white supremacists. The left pulled America to the right decision and did so by completely ignoring every white supremacist institution, including the Southern churches who perpetuated the racism.
The good whites weren't turned off by us ignoring them and came to our side without the need to coddle their balls, the way Cenk thinks we must do with the "gettable" magas. The only people who dug in their heels were the conservative Democrats (Dixiecrats), and they just ended up so pissed off at the Democratic party for basically tossing them in the dumpster of history, that they were grateful to the Repub party for digging them out of our trash and welcoming them to their current home.
The fight for the soul of America, and its advances like the end of slavery, end of Jim Crow, womens' suffrage, LGBT rights has always and will always be from leftist movements. Cenk thinking he can change the inherent, underlying ideology of right-wing thought is not only arrogant on his part, but ignorant of history, and idiotic on its face.
Exactly, perfectly said! I’ve probably read a dozen books on this and he seems to not know the history of this movement. His arrogance leads him to believe HE is the one who can change their minds! Delusional!!
Excellent example. Unfortunately, Cenk still wouldn't concede to it
God bless you Kyle! You're a real mvp of the left. Cenk just spent 10 years attacking neoliberals and saying we can't work with them to turn around and say we need to work with nazis, not even centrist.
The composure of Kyle and Krystal in this interview are exactly why they are the best voices on the left right now. Cenk is largely right when it comes to Israel and Iran, but he comes across as an absolute bigoted piece of shit. Petulant children shouldn’t run countries or news networks.
Cenk is a maga shill, he deserves to be shit on. IDC, Kyle is right by letting him have it, and let's be honest this is what we need is more fire and outrage! Enough fucking hand holding on the left. We need action.
I was legit waiting for Cenk to take out a tampon and offer it to Krystal. He sounds no different than the PBD crew but just with more made up percentages.
Trying to explain or talk facts with any maga is impossible. I gave up irl as they make up excuses, move the goal posts, or just parrot what the news gives as a “reason” for why the politicians on the right are doing/did something. The time for speaking to deaf ears is over. You call it like it is, you get the actual middle/independents aware of the truth and you activate those who are idle in the Democrat party. Cenk is conflating this bs by insisting the middle is partly on the right. They are not. They are the middle. They aren’t the right. MAGA is gonna maga. You can’t fix stupid. You dont let hate rule. From where i come from nazis get punched for simply existing bc we don’t put up with hate even the slightest. Bc you give them an inch, they run for the mile until they are opposed. Stop playing footsies with maga Cenk, and stop saying you’re not and acting all innocent like you are going for the independents. If that was the case you wouldn’t be on right wing media/podcasts. You are obvious, and unlike the right (or as you call “the middle”) we aren’t gullible. We aren’t taking you by your words. We are taking you by your actions. Kyle was 100% right to yell. Thank you Kyle and Krystal for this exposé on the grift of Cenk Uygur.
Cenk is acting like such a douchebag.
I think today, 6/21/25, has proven Kyle and Krystal right 1000%
And what about today? As MAGA is on the verge of full-blown civil war over the Epstein stuff?
TBH I was disappointed with how all parties acted and reacted in this one. I'm a fan of all 3 of you and have been for over a decade now and instead of finding common ground and having civil disagreements you both refused to hear the other person's opinion and would straw-man the other argument. All parties would intentionally ignore the nuance or the argument and misrepresent their arguments. I shut it off after 30mins because it was sad to see people with such common views attempt to destroy the intentions of the other party with bad faith arguments.
I agree with you Tim I think both sides were getting too worked up and straw manning each other. And I’m also with you that I’m a fan of all three and still am
I’m So sad you feel hurt bro. I hope tomorrow is better 4 u lolz
All Cenk proved in this interview is that he is a fat piece of condescending shit who's completely full of himself and full of kaka.. just join maga and get it over with you fat turd
I'm sorry, but the questions are pretty straight-forward, but it seems like he defaults to being defensive. When you have to say, "I'm being genuine..." and "I'm being sincere..." generally means you aren't. It seems like diversion and deflection so he doesn't admit that he was wrong about something. I think he has ADD.
This was a bad conversation. I have a lot of respect for all three people that are part of this video. In my opinion, strategy disagreements should be the LEAST passionate arguments that should occur. At the end of the day, all strategies are less than perfect. I believe we should do all strategies at the same time. Cenk seemed to be arguing for being optimistic, and K&K seemed to be on the side of being pessimistic. Both sides lost because neither side changed their minds.
So i understand and agree with Cenks strategy, I just don't think he has the demeanor to message it with left hosts like this. He did much better in the last 15-20 minutes.
I think if Krystal and Kyle did more of going on shows (like Kyle did with pbd), with the purpose of making republican politicians, Trump, and the hosts they are on with look like hypocrites, not care about the TFGs, and reach out to the viewers that are independent, and fall for the lies out of ignorance, they could do a great job. Same with Sam.
Finally, sometimes you guys need a neutral moderator to pull both sides out of their perception of the argument, and set everything on the correct grounds. The arguments come across like you guys disagree on 90% of everything, when really you guys have a major strategic difference to get to a very similar goal.
Why do you think Kyle, Krystal and Sam are rarely invited on right leaning pods?
Could it be because the hosts know they'd get taken to the cleaners by any of those 3
Are they though? You might be right, but we dont know that. Probably Rogan and Bill Maher, but what about Tim Pool, Tucker, Banon? Then you have shows they surely aren't banned from and could try to get on like Tim Dillon, Theo Von, and Brilliant Idiots. They could easily dominate these spaces. Anywhere that has a large right-wing or independent audience, they should be getting on.
This conversation deserves a thorough analysis, to really dig into who said what in response to what.
I think that would not go well for Cenk overall, though.
Cenk doesn't seem to understand that their sense of identity, grievance, hatred, and lust for revenge will overpower any values they claim to have. They will not have the courage to defy their leader or any of their friends that continue to support him.