Listen now | This week, our friend June Lapine (you know her as Shoe0nHead) tells us about her political journey and radicalization among the online left, her personal journey as an online content creator, and why she’s glad she went for Bernie in 2016 — among many other things.
For those criticizing the interview, please try and remember that not everyone in this country is deep into politics. Like most people, I began with the culture wars/wokeness era and then transitioned into more insightful and rational political conversations. So shout out to Krystal and Kyle for trying to reach an audience that might still be trapped in the shallow political discourse that rules the internet. 👍🏽
Good point raised by June Lapine when she mentioned how the anti diversity crowd yaps about "diversity of ideas" but they never come round to specifics. And in fact they are extremely starved of ideas. Proven just recently by the leaked Koch tapes when "AOC" and "cancel culture" were randomly raised as a cat bell subject in a desperate attempt to entice ordinary conservative audiences to not support something they do support: an election reform bill that tackles dark money (a matter unrelated to cancel culture).
I just subscribed just for this ep so @KrystalBall I really need you to reply to me on twitter. Please don't follow me. I would hate that. Basically please don't follow me on twitter Krystal, but Kyle I would like to politely request you notice me like for the first time ever once please?
Seriously kyle wtf bro? Are you even serious? I am like your ex number 1 reply guy cause you keep ignoring me! Krystal had a whole tweet that literally said "Jorah I am replying to you!" C'mon kyle reply to me on twitter what's the deal dawg?
OOOOOHHHHH!!!!! I got it. No it's cool. You're afraid I will out debate you cause you actually are secretly familiar with my amazing debate style.
You can run but you can't hide KYLE cause I just sub'd to this and I am writing the first comment.
Checkmate. I dare you to start a friendly debate with me on twitter. You scared? That's what I thought.
Dude your delirous. Your debate skills are irrelivent when conversing against the truth. Why do you think its impossible for religious people to debate atheists? Or in this case, anyone else trying to debate leftists whose views are based on objective fact. But based on your comment, you seem like some crazed attention seeker.
Noam Chomsky: "I must say that what Biden has done so far is a pleasant surprise to me. He’s pretty sharply criticized on the left for flaws and omissions in the domestic policy. These criticisms are in my view correct but a little bit unfair. There’s only so much you can do when half of the Senate is going to be 100 percent against it. And when there are Democrats who will go along with them, it puts a limit on what you can achieve."
great guest/chat, but on the last part...it's quite important to know if it came from the lab (which is likely did) because:
a) most virologists are the ones saying no, and they have professional & financial reasons to say that, because
b) if people know it comes from a lab, and that similar labs all over the world carry the potential danger to unleash plagues, people might well
c) demand the closure of germ warfare type research facilities, or at least
d) demand treaties & regulation limiting the scope of such research, transparency for the research, etc, similar to how nuclear arms are regulated, and
e) nobody in the elite classes wants such a thing, or rather: not the scientists & doctors in the field, not the military & espionage intitutions, & not the big pharma corps of ANY of the "more advanced" nation states.
An interesting lady, although I disagree with her on many things, I have to admit she is very fun and creative, genuinely unique person so it's good that you invited her here, she's really damn interesting to listen to, especially some of her social criticism, this was definitely a bloody good interview to be honest
Having a naturally complex thought process doesnt mean you are "overthinking" it. It just means your brain typically tries to find a complex solution or look deeper into things than most. Do yourself a favor and stop calling it "overthinking". You are only stopping a possibly brilliant thought process.
Are Krystal and Kyle lovers? Krystal fauns over him like a new girlfriend it's a little off putting. Also your rants for 20 minutes before the guest even comes on the show is unappealing.
I feel like there is not enough discourse when it comes to infrastructure especially towards energy. Being on left most people are just going with the flow into the false promise of wind and solar energy saving the environment and being overly dependent on fossil fuels. The stepping stone into getting clean energy should be a promise of nuclear. Solar and wind create electricity when we dont need it and with our current battery technology it is impossible to store. I'm appalled by the left blind entry into an energy policy that cannot happen.
Please watch the Potholer54 video "Did SARS-Cov-2 start in a Chinese lab?" He thoroughly traces how this idea started and debunks it. His sources are all in the video description.
Going to skip this one. Not interested in anything someone who takes their twitter timeline as fact when it comes to black issues has to say. Someone who built their audience pandering to the antiSJW crowd when it was more popular, but because she says nice things about Bernie Sanders, an uncritical eye is cast on her and we're just supposed to forget? She is literally the grifter you guys talk about in the clip released on Secular Talk.
Bruh shes a real leftist who was recently enlightened on politics. I reccommend checking out her hell world series. And she didnt make fun of SJWs because it was "popular". Or the fact that she made money. Youtubers barely make any money these days. She did it because radical SJWs are complete hypocrites pretending to care about equality while spewing out the exact same discrimination and hate they claim to despise.
She's been on YouTube for ten years. That's a long time to be "unenlightened". Won't apologize for not believing anything she says. "A real leftist", she is today. Because it's more valuable to be on the internet. She has a Million subs, a patreon. Not saying she's rich. Probably still doing better than you, white knighting isn't going to convince me she doesn't suck.
"... and we're just supposed to forget?" That's exactly what you're supposed to do and what some segments of the left should do more of, is be less brutal and ruthless when it comes to people's views in the past. This is exactly what mainstream corporate media did when they dug up Cenk's past and tried to bury him completely (I'm not a huge fan of Cenk, personally, but that had been a long time ago and seemed maliciously desperate) -- how is this any different? She's talking about something she's done years ago and, to my knowledge, did when she was *really* young. She did mention she didn't have much of a life at the time and led an unfulfilling existence, so she grabbed on to what probably seemed like an enticing opportunity to escape at -- again --, what must have been a very early and naive part of her life. People change.
Also, frankly, the things she was critiquing at the time were things that deserved rightful criticism, so her criticisms weren't wrong, it's what she used her channel for that was, but I'm sure she shouldn't have to feel like it's an unforgivable sin for the rest of her life.
She was calling BLM a black supremacist organization, because her Twitter feed said so, didn't look them up, ran her mouth anyway and to this day gives a non-apology about it. She's sorry now, but she's contributed to the online dogpiling campaigns on people like Milo. (Years ago. She wasn't some kid then either). It's not about purity. I think June's a jerk and she built her platform using some of the same tactics Crowder or Blair White were at the same time.
Plenty of people are still knee-jerky and reactionary in their mid-twenties (especially if they grew up in the cesspool that is the Youtube sphere), it's not as if one's development is complete once they're over twenty. Regardless of her age back then, it was obvious to me at the time that she was still a naive Youtube brat with juvenile sensibilities and very much hungry for views, which was why she was riding the anti-SJW gravy train and why I unsubscribed at the time. I've recently subscribed again and will check out her new content to see if her videos are any good now.
Crowder is one of the most repugnant and vile human beings I've ever known, online or otherwise, I don't think they're very similar people (I realise you were talking about same *tactics*, but I'm not sure what this entails beyond riding the anti-SJW bandwagon). Calling BLM a black supremacist organization was moronic, but again, it's just another instance of a more shallow personality manifesting itself, one that hopefully has since gone trough enough transformative change. In terms of apologies, if I'm being honest, if I was scummy publicly for years, it'd be unreasonable to expect of me to actively go out of my way to go trough my back catalogue of stupid and offensive things I've said in the past and apologise for all of them -- has she been confronted with this and blatantly refuse to apologise?
To surmise, I think June was still a juvenile-minded sucker who got swept up by a scummy trend (like many other people who went on to be decent people, I'm sure) and deserves at least one shot at redemption.
For those criticizing the interview, please try and remember that not everyone in this country is deep into politics. Like most people, I began with the culture wars/wokeness era and then transitioned into more insightful and rational political conversations. So shout out to Krystal and Kyle for trying to reach an audience that might still be trapped in the shallow political discourse that rules the internet. 👍🏽
Good point raised by June Lapine when she mentioned how the anti diversity crowd yaps about "diversity of ideas" but they never come round to specifics. And in fact they are extremely starved of ideas. Proven just recently by the leaked Koch tapes when "AOC" and "cancel culture" were randomly raised as a cat bell subject in a desperate attempt to entice ordinary conservative audiences to not support something they do support: an election reform bill that tackles dark money (a matter unrelated to cancel culture).
Never heard of this person but I listened to the whole podcast ! Great interview and super interesting. Keep it up! #HumanityFirst
I just subscribed just for this ep so @KrystalBall I really need you to reply to me on twitter. Please don't follow me. I would hate that. Basically please don't follow me on twitter Krystal, but Kyle I would like to politely request you notice me like for the first time ever once please?
Seriously kyle wtf bro? Are you even serious? I am like your ex number 1 reply guy cause you keep ignoring me! Krystal had a whole tweet that literally said "Jorah I am replying to you!" C'mon kyle reply to me on twitter what's the deal dawg?
OOOOOHHHHH!!!!! I got it. No it's cool. You're afraid I will out debate you cause you actually are secretly familiar with my amazing debate style.
You can run but you can't hide KYLE cause I just sub'd to this and I am writing the first comment.
Checkmate. I dare you to start a friendly debate with me on twitter. You scared? That's what I thought.
Wow. You have some issues.
DEBATE ME!
I have a feeling that no matter how many facts i throw at you, you won’t change your mind on anything.
Wow you are so good at debating nothing. Where did you learn to debate, Kyle's youtube channel?
Dude your delirous. Your debate skills are irrelivent when conversing against the truth. Why do you think its impossible for religious people to debate atheists? Or in this case, anyone else trying to debate leftists whose views are based on objective fact. But based on your comment, you seem like some crazed attention seeker.
DEBATE ME!
Alright. Give contact information such as a discord tag. And about what exactly? What are we even disagreeing on?
My email is kylesucksatdebating@gmail.com
Of course that email is fake. Give me a real one coward. How do you expect to debate kyle if you cant even debate me?
I challenge you to a debate to convince me I should give you my email. Want to take me up on that? Didn't think so.
I couldn't help but hear "Stan" by Eminem playing in the background while reading this
Noam Chomsky: "I must say that what Biden has done so far is a pleasant surprise to me. He’s pretty sharply criticized on the left for flaws and omissions in the domestic policy. These criticisms are in my view correct but a little bit unfair. There’s only so much you can do when half of the Senate is going to be 100 percent against it. And when there are Democrats who will go along with them, it puts a limit on what you can achieve."
Might be worth bringing him on again...
great guest/chat, but on the last part...it's quite important to know if it came from the lab (which is likely did) because:
a) most virologists are the ones saying no, and they have professional & financial reasons to say that, because
b) if people know it comes from a lab, and that similar labs all over the world carry the potential danger to unleash plagues, people might well
c) demand the closure of germ warfare type research facilities, or at least
d) demand treaties & regulation limiting the scope of such research, transparency for the research, etc, similar to how nuclear arms are regulated, and
e) nobody in the elite classes wants such a thing, or rather: not the scientists & doctors in the field, not the military & espionage intitutions, & not the big pharma corps of ANY of the "more advanced" nation states.
An interesting lady, although I disagree with her on many things, I have to admit she is very fun and creative, genuinely unique person so it's good that you invited her here, she's really damn interesting to listen to, especially some of her social criticism, this was definitely a bloody good interview to be honest
I tend to overthink stuff in real time
Having a naturally complex thought process doesnt mean you are "overthinking" it. It just means your brain typically tries to find a complex solution or look deeper into things than most. Do yourself a favor and stop calling it "overthinking". You are only stopping a possibly brilliant thought process.
Are Krystal and Kyle lovers? Krystal fauns over him like a new girlfriend it's a little off putting. Also your rants for 20 minutes before the guest even comes on the show is unappealing.
She blocked me on twitter today for saying we shouldn't hate people for being mentally ill. I thought it would be more of a debate. lol
I feel like there is not enough discourse when it comes to infrastructure especially towards energy. Being on left most people are just going with the flow into the false promise of wind and solar energy saving the environment and being overly dependent on fossil fuels. The stepping stone into getting clean energy should be a promise of nuclear. Solar and wind create electricity when we dont need it and with our current battery technology it is impossible to store. I'm appalled by the left blind entry into an energy policy that cannot happen.
June was clearly the source material for Heidi Gardner’s Bailey Gismert
Please watch the Potholer54 video "Did SARS-Cov-2 start in a Chinese lab?" He thoroughly traces how this idea started and debunks it. His sources are all in the video description.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk
Where is the videos I'm sub....
Going to skip this one. Not interested in anything someone who takes their twitter timeline as fact when it comes to black issues has to say. Someone who built their audience pandering to the antiSJW crowd when it was more popular, but because she says nice things about Bernie Sanders, an uncritical eye is cast on her and we're just supposed to forget? She is literally the grifter you guys talk about in the clip released on Secular Talk.
Bruh shes a real leftist who was recently enlightened on politics. I reccommend checking out her hell world series. And she didnt make fun of SJWs because it was "popular". Or the fact that she made money. Youtubers barely make any money these days. She did it because radical SJWs are complete hypocrites pretending to care about equality while spewing out the exact same discrimination and hate they claim to despise.
Yeah, I think Hell World is hilariously entertaining at the very least.
She's been on YouTube for ten years. That's a long time to be "unenlightened". Won't apologize for not believing anything she says. "A real leftist", she is today. Because it's more valuable to be on the internet. She has a Million subs, a patreon. Not saying she's rich. Probably still doing better than you, white knighting isn't going to convince me she doesn't suck.
"... and we're just supposed to forget?" That's exactly what you're supposed to do and what some segments of the left should do more of, is be less brutal and ruthless when it comes to people's views in the past. This is exactly what mainstream corporate media did when they dug up Cenk's past and tried to bury him completely (I'm not a huge fan of Cenk, personally, but that had been a long time ago and seemed maliciously desperate) -- how is this any different? She's talking about something she's done years ago and, to my knowledge, did when she was *really* young. She did mention she didn't have much of a life at the time and led an unfulfilling existence, so she grabbed on to what probably seemed like an enticing opportunity to escape at -- again --, what must have been a very early and naive part of her life. People change.
Also, frankly, the things she was critiquing at the time were things that deserved rightful criticism, so her criticisms weren't wrong, it's what she used her channel for that was, but I'm sure she shouldn't have to feel like it's an unforgivable sin for the rest of her life.
"What terrifies you most in purity," I asked?
"Haste," William answered.
-- The Name of the Rose
She was calling BLM a black supremacist organization, because her Twitter feed said so, didn't look them up, ran her mouth anyway and to this day gives a non-apology about it. She's sorry now, but she's contributed to the online dogpiling campaigns on people like Milo. (Years ago. She wasn't some kid then either). It's not about purity. I think June's a jerk and she built her platform using some of the same tactics Crowder or Blair White were at the same time.
Plenty of people are still knee-jerky and reactionary in their mid-twenties (especially if they grew up in the cesspool that is the Youtube sphere), it's not as if one's development is complete once they're over twenty. Regardless of her age back then, it was obvious to me at the time that she was still a naive Youtube brat with juvenile sensibilities and very much hungry for views, which was why she was riding the anti-SJW gravy train and why I unsubscribed at the time. I've recently subscribed again and will check out her new content to see if her videos are any good now.
Crowder is one of the most repugnant and vile human beings I've ever known, online or otherwise, I don't think they're very similar people (I realise you were talking about same *tactics*, but I'm not sure what this entails beyond riding the anti-SJW bandwagon). Calling BLM a black supremacist organization was moronic, but again, it's just another instance of a more shallow personality manifesting itself, one that hopefully has since gone trough enough transformative change. In terms of apologies, if I'm being honest, if I was scummy publicly for years, it'd be unreasonable to expect of me to actively go out of my way to go trough my back catalogue of stupid and offensive things I've said in the past and apologise for all of them -- has she been confronted with this and blatantly refuse to apologise?
To surmise, I think June was still a juvenile-minded sucker who got swept up by a scummy trend (like many other people who went on to be decent people, I'm sure) and deserves at least one shot at redemption.