Listen now | Our guest this week, Dr. Wilson of Debunk the Funk, joins us to address a topic of much debate: Are RFK Jr.’s vaccine claims totally false? As we point out in our discussion this week, while the presidential candidate hasn’t explicitly placed his anti-vaccine rhetoric at the core of his campaign, these ideas have driven his career — and are now front and center in the political discourse surrounding him. We expect certain vaccine conspiracy theories to get more airtime from their connection to a high-profile political figure. So we sat down with Dr. Wilson to get to the (scientific) heart of these conspiracies. What does the scientific evidence point to? Just as interesting: why, if proven untrue, do conspiracies persist?
You attack RFK Jr who is the only Dem. peace candidate. By doing this you become a de facto shill for Biden's forever wars. What a betrayal. With AOC coming out for Biden we are seeing the death of whatever is left of the progressive movement. Now cheerleaders for WWIII.
how is RFK Jr. pro-peace, and how is Biden pro-forever wars? Biden pulled us out of Afghanistan in very short order. RFK Jr. is shilling for Israel publicly, letting them know he will afford them unconditional support. The likelihood of Israel to drug us and the rest of Europe into a massive conflict is quite likely given their brazen aggression towards Iran. Not to mention they are a literal apartheid theocracy which nobody with half a brain should support.
Wow. Listened all the way through. Wilson answered all your questions, and didn’t. He’s a public intellect. Invite him on w RFK. Let them hash out whether he actually responded to Jrs points.
Almost done listening to u KB. I had respect for you. Now you seem like msm
The counter-points to almost all of these arguments are obvious but there is no one there to make the counter-point since the pro-vaxers refuse to debate. I genuinely just want to hear both sides talk to each other because idk what to believe, but this is not a good look.
Good questions you two, but I’d push back on a couple of points: I seriously doubt that Merck would make anything like the money from increased Ivermectin sales as it made from the Covid vaccine. For example, isn’t Ivermectin off patent? Secondly, on the issue of placebo-controlled trials of vaccines, it was interesting to me that the target of the conversation moved over to polio and its initial safety testing against a saline placebo from what was of greater concern to Kennedy: childhood vaccines which have only been tested against previous vaccine versions for, how long? 50 years. I was also surprised that you two follow-the-money sleuths did not bring up the issue of the tremendous amount of money that flows back to the FDA from Big Pharma. This is another Kennedy argument that I did not hear you bring up. Nevertheless, this was far better questioning than, for example, Bari Weiss exhibited when she talked to Sam Altman about AI.
One more point! During RFK Junior‘s earlier phase as a crack environmental lawyer, he was widely held by the progressive left. It was only when his work turned towards assailing Big Pharma that suddenly he became a crackpot! Hmmm ...
-Merck had covid vaccine canidates in the middle of trials when they discontinued them. They found they were well tolerated, but did not find they were that effective. So they spent a bunch of R&D money on the vaccines and didn't make any money from that. They continued R&D on two therapeutics, one being Molnupiravir. Molnupiravir is currently used in a small subset of the population that is at highest risk of severe covid, but only after nearly two years of R&D and vaccines have been widely distributed. Compared to ivermectin they already could produce in mass and distribute widely, it would be cheap for them to make and distribute and have a huge demand making them lots of money, which they did and still do because it treats parasites in humans and animals.
-Your saying you wouldn't have a moral and ethical problem with not giving a set of children a known safe and effective vaccine that is available, putting them at risk of severe disease or death, because you don't trust what they found 50 years ago or any length of time in the past and need to compare all new vaccines to a saline placebo? That is ridiculous if you or RFK actually think that, and you probably should self reflect on your proposed methods and standards.
-Did you miss the topic Krstal brought up about our for profit health care, and how it can lead to both coruption and effective vaccines and drugs? They discussed how you have to keep two seperate thoughts and not just see big money as a completely bad thing that only corrupts. In doing so many people fall victim to the anti-science rhetoric and products they are selling. Ending up not only looking stupid but potentially hurting themselfs with alternative medicines being pushed by these same anti-science because big pharma is completely corrupt people like RFK.
Your second point reverses the accusation which is like standard counterpoint of miss info. Drugs should have the highest standard - see point one. Especially for kids. This vax wasn’t safe or effective. Check cdc own data. It lasted for 2 months (not a vax) and didn’t stop spread. Saying a 50 year old issue is not relevant is fine, but there’s no other relevant safety data since. So there’s that.
So KB mentioned pharma makes money. Big deal. It was inconsistent with their bx on other topics leading me to conclude the whole thing was scripted and they’re not as independent as they’d like us to think
Lecture you? What you don't like hearing not all big pharma succeeded at producing covid treatments and vaccines, meaning you would have to acknowledge their integrity? Merck spent and was compensated by our taxes for less than 40 million for their failed attempt at a vaccine.
Reverses the accusation? I'm not the one saying vaccines are not thoughly tested and safe. I'm just saying you should acknowledge the method used to determine their safety also doesn't put anyone at unnecessary risk. Using a saline control would do just that, and would be the ethically questionable course of action. Bold assertions about "this vax" not being safe and effective for someone who thinks a vaccine is supposed to stop the spread of a virus. Ignore that it is stopping pain and suffering from severe disease and death. It's not a big deal that you got sick for a few days, recovered, and are back to your normal life. That isn't what's was and wouldn't be the criteria used to considered calling it a pandemic virus.
Again you have to have two trains of thought with big pharma to not sound anti science and anti vaccine. There's corruption and there is safe and effective drugs.
Vax is supposed to stop infection and spread. See all childhood vaccines. Hep, tb, etc….
I do RCTs. Not testing something bx irb questions the method to determine safety means that drugs are released w out proper testing, thus potentially exposing sig safety risk that are unknown in human populations and only known in animal pops if tested. Which is more unethical? Why has big pharma been sued so many times for safety. Easy google search. What happens when they’re sued? Nothing. Google purdue pharma. Paid a fine, a fraction of the money made. Google McKinsey and purdue pharma. It’s shocking. Oxy STILL being prescribed. The contingencies support making money, at all costs - just pay the fines when it goes bad
There’s no actual data that shows the vax decreased symptoms hospitalizations and death. That report was more opinion than data driven. Find me the study that supports that claim, and doesn’t conflate the less dangerous mutations.
I was 12 when the science teacher taught me cellular biology. It is also when I learned about HIV being the virus and AIDS being the disease. He made clear that you could be infected with the HIV virus and not developed symptoms of the disease AIDS for months. This is how they use to track "the spread" via development of symptoms. Why do you think so many people incorrectly associated AIDS with men having gay sex spreading HIV to each other. It wasn't until very recently we have been able to test and track the spread of a virus by other means. No vaccine has ever been created to stop a virus, they have all been targeting severe disease and death.
You do realize RCTs have different ways of being setup, and most of the peer review process is not just examining the data results but the methods by which that data was obtained?
It's far more often pharma companies get sued for drugs that people will need to take in high doses for the rest of their life. Vaccines are a low number of doses with tons of time in between them. Trying to link them to harmful events beyond a short time period after they are given is like trying to link which exact cheese burger you ate gave you the heart attack.
Both moderna and pifzer put out study results as they went on. So did J&J and many others. It involved 70,000+ people combined. It clearly showed the expected side effects for the number of people it was given too. They also showed they were effective in the low 90s for Pfizer and Modernas, and 80s for J&J. Their reports were detailed enough that I choose Pfizer over moderna because there was less reported shoulder pain. These studies were held for 8 months against a placebo control. At that time the vast majority of the US population was allowed to go and get them so the placebo group was allowed to go get the actual vaccines. At that time volunteers either joined the two dose original group or a three dose group and the study continued comparing those. It was determined that a third dose 6 months after your primary series would provide even more protection.
All of this is published, you can find it read it and critique it as much as you like. You can't say it's opinion though because it was a RCT and followed the standards those need to.
Please don’t forget that project warp speed was payed for by taxpayers, as was millions of doses of vax. All participating pharma made bi big money. Please don’t lecture us on pharma spending money in R&D. That their business. They know the risks and the benefits. They make billions every year. The incentive paid for by tax payers was a new drug on a new platform payed for by us
You make really good points! Thank you for the information on Merck. With respect to saline-placebo controlled assessments of childhood vaccinations, I can only report that I have a grandson who is 10 years old. He has to carry an EpiPen everywhere he goes. Once, in Ecuador, he had an ice cream cone with trace amounts of peanuts in it. They used the EpiPen and managed to get him to a hospital where he needed further help to stay alive. I’m not sure what the actual risks are from placebo- controlled tests for childhood vaccines, but the fact that Big Pharma has been progressively adding new components to these vaccines in order to protect against diseases that are exceedingly rare troubles me. This continuing addition of substances to the vaccines also weakens the case that 50 year old safety tests remain dispositive. Also, Merck’s history of losing lawsuits – – for example, with respect to Vioxx – – suggests that we need to be exceedingly skeptical, both with respect to their science and their motivations.
You clearly are much better read on this subject than I am, but I don’t think it is useful to merely smear RFK Jr., as an “anti-vaxxer” etc. did you listen to his podcast with Joe Rogan? One of the most interesting things in that way too long podcast was when Rogan showed how CNN had darkened his features in a story about his recovering from Covid. If the case can truly be made just on the merits of the science, then why are the media going to such lengths to distort matters?
Allergies are of extreme concern when receiving any vaccine or drug. Medicine in general is an extremely complicated subject which varies widely individual to individual. Discussions should be between doctors and patients and no one should be forced to anything. People should choose to and follow the recommendations of their doctors. Information that undermines your trust in your doctor and what they tell you is best for you is very dangerous.
I did listen to RFK on JRE. Along with many other interviews RFK has done recently. I have also read RFKs two recent books. The real Anthony Fauci (criticism of COVID pandemic response) and A letter to liberals(criticism of online censorship and media bias). I have tried giving him a fair view in his own words after seeing so many people in comment sections saying I needed to. Most of what he says may be how he sees things as it's directly from his perspective. When I look into the provided information by him, after doing my own interpretation against what other information is available, my views align much more with scientific consensus and the actions taken by CDC/FDA/NIH than RFKs. He claims to want someone to show him where he is wrong, but all attempts to do so are meet with blinders and a rigid/bias stance based on the information he collected in his books. I get that it's information over load, and how can you sift through it all, that's why people want a debate between RFK and someone to counter what he is saying.
IDK if you watch game of thrones, but I think it was season 8 episode 3. It's a very dark scene the entire episode. Some people complained it was too dark and others said they had no problem seeing what was happening. Accusing CNN of altering the image, when there's many factors external to their broadcast as it is delivered to millions of their viewers in the many different forms they view it on, is a stretch. Claiming the hospitals in Oklahoma were backed up because people were taking veterinary doses, was what was wrong. There was an increase in the number of people who were going to the hospital after taking the veterinary version. Joe Rogan being outraged and pushing looking at the way they made him look, isn't just extremely petty and could easily be a misinterpretation on his part, but was a huge distraction and hide the message that you shouldn't take medication used to treat animals. CNN made a mistake, and rather than just correcting it, they had Joe preventing people from seeing the actual correction and focused on his nonsense.
Regarding autism rates, Dr Wilson’s answer was heartbreakingly off base. I suggest you read an article on The Free Press written by Jill Escher about the autism surge. She is not an anti-vaxer, she is the intelligent mother of two profoundly autistic children who is actively involved on this issue.
In the future please have your so called “expert” at least show his face. Also, you all should watch RFK Jr’s debate on valuetainment with Alan Dershowitz to get a better idea of his arguments.
I am sad and disappointed watching what you guys are doing. May I ask what your degrees are in? Accounting? , Social Studies? I beg you guys to look further. The industry capture in general is rampant you know this. You know this problem
At the FDA is obvious. Why are vaccines just arbitrarily blessed?
😔 I quite respect you and am hoping your thoughts on this issue evolve. Wishing you well.
Lipid nanoparticles is the new vaccine technology. Much of what has been improved upon recently and allows them to be used in vaccines, is their storage durring distribution which required them to stay at extremely low temps until shortly before injection. Remeber the stories about doctors and nurses leaving refrigerator doors open? Factor that human element into your studies on how effective a vaccine is... LNP are essentially a fat that cells will absorb and not something your immune system is going to respond too. The mRNA is not a new technology, it is naturally occuring in all living cells used for communicating protein synthesis and other cellular process instuctions. mRNA is very delicate and breaks down quickly. LNP allows us to deliver mRNA to cells intact and take advantage of it to improve the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. Espeacially with viruses that have a rapid mutation rate like ones that infect respritory cells, and require updated mRNA and multiple doses to develope and keep an effective immune responce.
There are other new vaccine technology that also use mRNA. They use a subcutaneous needle, which is much smaller into the fat just under the skin like insulin, and a smaller volume of injected liquid lowering injection site and shoulder musle pain after injection. You will get a small shock which some people will not like, but wont still have pain from a day or two later.
Why the new technology, whats wrong with vaccines we already had?
Older vaccines suffered from being manufactured quickly, safely, and on a large scale. Also an unwanted immune responce being developed to the inert and weakened viruses that were used to deliver the protein poduction instructions to make the thing you wanted to develope an immune responce to. If the virus mutates and started escaping peoples immunity, they could not be rapidly updated. Trials and testing would need to start over to see if the viral delivery was still going to be effective at building an immune responce to the new mutated virus.
Now start the countdown til some dope shows you an article how one person’s uncle’s brother’s son’s daughter’s former roommate got heartburn after a mRNA vaccine
You attack RFK Jr who is the only Dem. peace candidate. By doing this you become a de facto shill for Biden's forever wars. What a betrayal. With AOC coming out for Biden we are seeing the death of whatever is left of the progressive movement. Now cheerleaders for WWIII.
Marianne is the Dem peace candidate. Stop erasing her and her platform which is much more progressive and “pro peace” than RFK. You’re being played
how is RFK Jr. pro-peace, and how is Biden pro-forever wars? Biden pulled us out of Afghanistan in very short order. RFK Jr. is shilling for Israel publicly, letting them know he will afford them unconditional support. The likelihood of Israel to drug us and the rest of Europe into a massive conflict is quite likely given their brazen aggression towards Iran. Not to mention they are a literal apartheid theocracy which nobody with half a brain should support.
Wow. Listened all the way through. Wilson answered all your questions, and didn’t. He’s a public intellect. Invite him on w RFK. Let them hash out whether he actually responded to Jrs points.
Almost done listening to u KB. I had respect for you. Now you seem like msm
Agreed.
I expected better follow-up questions urging actual sited studies.
Hopefully Dan is on a podcast that will challenge his opinion.
If RFK Jr. is so wrong, why would " Big Pharma" not be suing him?
Lackluster podcast.
Lackluster is generous. Weak. And the whole conversation seemed scripted.
The counter-points to almost all of these arguments are obvious but there is no one there to make the counter-point since the pro-vaxers refuse to debate. I genuinely just want to hear both sides talk to each other because idk what to believe, but this is not a good look.
Good questions you two, but I’d push back on a couple of points: I seriously doubt that Merck would make anything like the money from increased Ivermectin sales as it made from the Covid vaccine. For example, isn’t Ivermectin off patent? Secondly, on the issue of placebo-controlled trials of vaccines, it was interesting to me that the target of the conversation moved over to polio and its initial safety testing against a saline placebo from what was of greater concern to Kennedy: childhood vaccines which have only been tested against previous vaccine versions for, how long? 50 years. I was also surprised that you two follow-the-money sleuths did not bring up the issue of the tremendous amount of money that flows back to the FDA from Big Pharma. This is another Kennedy argument that I did not hear you bring up. Nevertheless, this was far better questioning than, for example, Bari Weiss exhibited when she talked to Sam Altman about AI.
One more point! During RFK Junior‘s earlier phase as a crack environmental lawyer, he was widely held by the progressive left. It was only when his work turned towards assailing Big Pharma that suddenly he became a crackpot! Hmmm ...
-Merck had covid vaccine canidates in the middle of trials when they discontinued them. They found they were well tolerated, but did not find they were that effective. So they spent a bunch of R&D money on the vaccines and didn't make any money from that. They continued R&D on two therapeutics, one being Molnupiravir. Molnupiravir is currently used in a small subset of the population that is at highest risk of severe covid, but only after nearly two years of R&D and vaccines have been widely distributed. Compared to ivermectin they already could produce in mass and distribute widely, it would be cheap for them to make and distribute and have a huge demand making them lots of money, which they did and still do because it treats parasites in humans and animals.
-Your saying you wouldn't have a moral and ethical problem with not giving a set of children a known safe and effective vaccine that is available, putting them at risk of severe disease or death, because you don't trust what they found 50 years ago or any length of time in the past and need to compare all new vaccines to a saline placebo? That is ridiculous if you or RFK actually think that, and you probably should self reflect on your proposed methods and standards.
-Did you miss the topic Krstal brought up about our for profit health care, and how it can lead to both coruption and effective vaccines and drugs? They discussed how you have to keep two seperate thoughts and not just see big money as a completely bad thing that only corrupts. In doing so many people fall victim to the anti-science rhetoric and products they are selling. Ending up not only looking stupid but potentially hurting themselfs with alternative medicines being pushed by these same anti-science because big pharma is completely corrupt people like RFK.
Your second point reverses the accusation which is like standard counterpoint of miss info. Drugs should have the highest standard - see point one. Especially for kids. This vax wasn’t safe or effective. Check cdc own data. It lasted for 2 months (not a vax) and didn’t stop spread. Saying a 50 year old issue is not relevant is fine, but there’s no other relevant safety data since. So there’s that.
So KB mentioned pharma makes money. Big deal. It was inconsistent with their bx on other topics leading me to conclude the whole thing was scripted and they’re not as independent as they’d like us to think
Lecture you? What you don't like hearing not all big pharma succeeded at producing covid treatments and vaccines, meaning you would have to acknowledge their integrity? Merck spent and was compensated by our taxes for less than 40 million for their failed attempt at a vaccine.
Reverses the accusation? I'm not the one saying vaccines are not thoughly tested and safe. I'm just saying you should acknowledge the method used to determine their safety also doesn't put anyone at unnecessary risk. Using a saline control would do just that, and would be the ethically questionable course of action. Bold assertions about "this vax" not being safe and effective for someone who thinks a vaccine is supposed to stop the spread of a virus. Ignore that it is stopping pain and suffering from severe disease and death. It's not a big deal that you got sick for a few days, recovered, and are back to your normal life. That isn't what's was and wouldn't be the criteria used to considered calling it a pandemic virus.
Again you have to have two trains of thought with big pharma to not sound anti science and anti vaccine. There's corruption and there is safe and effective drugs.
Vax is supposed to stop infection and spread. See all childhood vaccines. Hep, tb, etc….
I do RCTs. Not testing something bx irb questions the method to determine safety means that drugs are released w out proper testing, thus potentially exposing sig safety risk that are unknown in human populations and only known in animal pops if tested. Which is more unethical? Why has big pharma been sued so many times for safety. Easy google search. What happens when they’re sued? Nothing. Google purdue pharma. Paid a fine, a fraction of the money made. Google McKinsey and purdue pharma. It’s shocking. Oxy STILL being prescribed. The contingencies support making money, at all costs - just pay the fines when it goes bad
There’s no actual data that shows the vax decreased symptoms hospitalizations and death. That report was more opinion than data driven. Find me the study that supports that claim, and doesn’t conflate the less dangerous mutations.
I was 12 when the science teacher taught me cellular biology. It is also when I learned about HIV being the virus and AIDS being the disease. He made clear that you could be infected with the HIV virus and not developed symptoms of the disease AIDS for months. This is how they use to track "the spread" via development of symptoms. Why do you think so many people incorrectly associated AIDS with men having gay sex spreading HIV to each other. It wasn't until very recently we have been able to test and track the spread of a virus by other means. No vaccine has ever been created to stop a virus, they have all been targeting severe disease and death.
You do realize RCTs have different ways of being setup, and most of the peer review process is not just examining the data results but the methods by which that data was obtained?
It's far more often pharma companies get sued for drugs that people will need to take in high doses for the rest of their life. Vaccines are a low number of doses with tons of time in between them. Trying to link them to harmful events beyond a short time period after they are given is like trying to link which exact cheese burger you ate gave you the heart attack.
Both moderna and pifzer put out study results as they went on. So did J&J and many others. It involved 70,000+ people combined. It clearly showed the expected side effects for the number of people it was given too. They also showed they were effective in the low 90s for Pfizer and Modernas, and 80s for J&J. Their reports were detailed enough that I choose Pfizer over moderna because there was less reported shoulder pain. These studies were held for 8 months against a placebo control. At that time the vast majority of the US population was allowed to go and get them so the placebo group was allowed to go get the actual vaccines. At that time volunteers either joined the two dose original group or a three dose group and the study continued comparing those. It was determined that a third dose 6 months after your primary series would provide even more protection.
All of this is published, you can find it read it and critique it as much as you like. You can't say it's opinion though because it was a RCT and followed the standards those need to.
Please don’t forget that project warp speed was payed for by taxpayers, as was millions of doses of vax. All participating pharma made bi big money. Please don’t lecture us on pharma spending money in R&D. That their business. They know the risks and the benefits. They make billions every year. The incentive paid for by tax payers was a new drug on a new platform payed for by us
You make really good points! Thank you for the information on Merck. With respect to saline-placebo controlled assessments of childhood vaccinations, I can only report that I have a grandson who is 10 years old. He has to carry an EpiPen everywhere he goes. Once, in Ecuador, he had an ice cream cone with trace amounts of peanuts in it. They used the EpiPen and managed to get him to a hospital where he needed further help to stay alive. I’m not sure what the actual risks are from placebo- controlled tests for childhood vaccines, but the fact that Big Pharma has been progressively adding new components to these vaccines in order to protect against diseases that are exceedingly rare troubles me. This continuing addition of substances to the vaccines also weakens the case that 50 year old safety tests remain dispositive. Also, Merck’s history of losing lawsuits – – for example, with respect to Vioxx – – suggests that we need to be exceedingly skeptical, both with respect to their science and their motivations.
You clearly are much better read on this subject than I am, but I don’t think it is useful to merely smear RFK Jr., as an “anti-vaxxer” etc. did you listen to his podcast with Joe Rogan? One of the most interesting things in that way too long podcast was when Rogan showed how CNN had darkened his features in a story about his recovering from Covid. If the case can truly be made just on the merits of the science, then why are the media going to such lengths to distort matters?
Allergies are of extreme concern when receiving any vaccine or drug. Medicine in general is an extremely complicated subject which varies widely individual to individual. Discussions should be between doctors and patients and no one should be forced to anything. People should choose to and follow the recommendations of their doctors. Information that undermines your trust in your doctor and what they tell you is best for you is very dangerous.
I did listen to RFK on JRE. Along with many other interviews RFK has done recently. I have also read RFKs two recent books. The real Anthony Fauci (criticism of COVID pandemic response) and A letter to liberals(criticism of online censorship and media bias). I have tried giving him a fair view in his own words after seeing so many people in comment sections saying I needed to. Most of what he says may be how he sees things as it's directly from his perspective. When I look into the provided information by him, after doing my own interpretation against what other information is available, my views align much more with scientific consensus and the actions taken by CDC/FDA/NIH than RFKs. He claims to want someone to show him where he is wrong, but all attempts to do so are meet with blinders and a rigid/bias stance based on the information he collected in his books. I get that it's information over load, and how can you sift through it all, that's why people want a debate between RFK and someone to counter what he is saying.
IDK if you watch game of thrones, but I think it was season 8 episode 3. It's a very dark scene the entire episode. Some people complained it was too dark and others said they had no problem seeing what was happening. Accusing CNN of altering the image, when there's many factors external to their broadcast as it is delivered to millions of their viewers in the many different forms they view it on, is a stretch. Claiming the hospitals in Oklahoma were backed up because people were taking veterinary doses, was what was wrong. There was an increase in the number of people who were going to the hospital after taking the veterinary version. Joe Rogan being outraged and pushing looking at the way they made him look, isn't just extremely petty and could easily be a misinterpretation on his part, but was a huge distraction and hide the message that you shouldn't take medication used to treat animals. CNN made a mistake, and rather than just correcting it, they had Joe preventing people from seeing the actual correction and focused on his nonsense.
Regarding autism rates, Dr Wilson’s answer was heartbreakingly off base. I suggest you read an article on The Free Press written by Jill Escher about the autism surge. She is not an anti-vaxer, she is the intelligent mother of two profoundly autistic children who is actively involved on this issue.
Amazing how the progressives all give themselves a pass for their betrayals.
In the future please have your so called “expert” at least show his face. Also, you all should watch RFK Jr’s debate on valuetainment with Alan Dershowitz to get a better idea of his arguments.
I am sad and disappointed watching what you guys are doing. May I ask what your degrees are in? Accounting? , Social Studies? I beg you guys to look further. The industry capture in general is rampant you know this. You know this problem
At the FDA is obvious. Why are vaccines just arbitrarily blessed?
😔 I quite respect you and am hoping your thoughts on this issue evolve. Wishing you well.
Lipid nanoparticles is the new vaccine technology. Much of what has been improved upon recently and allows them to be used in vaccines, is their storage durring distribution which required them to stay at extremely low temps until shortly before injection. Remeber the stories about doctors and nurses leaving refrigerator doors open? Factor that human element into your studies on how effective a vaccine is... LNP are essentially a fat that cells will absorb and not something your immune system is going to respond too. The mRNA is not a new technology, it is naturally occuring in all living cells used for communicating protein synthesis and other cellular process instuctions. mRNA is very delicate and breaks down quickly. LNP allows us to deliver mRNA to cells intact and take advantage of it to improve the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. Espeacially with viruses that have a rapid mutation rate like ones that infect respritory cells, and require updated mRNA and multiple doses to develope and keep an effective immune responce.
There are other new vaccine technology that also use mRNA. They use a subcutaneous needle, which is much smaller into the fat just under the skin like insulin, and a smaller volume of injected liquid lowering injection site and shoulder musle pain after injection. You will get a small shock which some people will not like, but wont still have pain from a day or two later.
Why the new technology, whats wrong with vaccines we already had?
Older vaccines suffered from being manufactured quickly, safely, and on a large scale. Also an unwanted immune responce being developed to the inert and weakened viruses that were used to deliver the protein poduction instructions to make the thing you wanted to develope an immune responce to. If the virus mutates and started escaping peoples immunity, they could not be rapidly updated. Trials and testing would need to start over to see if the viral delivery was still going to be effective at building an immune responce to the new mutated virus.
Now start the countdown til some dope shows you an article how one person’s uncle’s brother’s son’s daughter’s former roommate got heartburn after a mRNA vaccine
Good one! LOL