Listen now | This week, we bring political commentator Briahna Joy Gray on the show to debate the big question: Where, if anywhere, does the Democratic Party deserve credit? And when does it become dishonest to ignore the real gains made by the current administration? Certainly, in the past few years, we’ve seen movement in the right direction, and state democrats in the Midwest passing phenomenal legislation, suggesting that a new future for the party could be possible.
Krystal and Kyle are sitting here with full stomachs telling us to be thankful for Biden’s crumbs. They really have become cartoonishly awful. The Betty and Barney Rubble of the left. (Because Cenk and Ana are Fred and Wilma, obviously)
What about Biden's disastrous war in Ukraine? What about Biden's senility and pending impeachment? What about endless inflation? What about plans to conjure up another fake pandemic? W hat about the DNC'S war on RFK, Jr.? Please get relevant
K and K are now officially part of the problem- sit down plebes, fear Trump and be grateful for diaper Joe’s Forever War and insane levels of inflation (which doesn’t touch them). Pathetic.
I've been watching Kyle for about 10 years, and Krystal since her early days on Rising. This "interview" was not your finest hour. I find it ironic that Krystal repeatedly sounds like Chris Matthews in his embarassing interview on BP with her "I live in the real world." Kyle needs some coaching on how to act professional when disagreeing with someone.
Instead of trying to brow beat Briahna into accepting your point of view you would do yourselves and your show a lot of favors by trying to understand WHY Briahna doesn't agree with you. She is clearly a very intelligent and informed person who has a different perspective than the two of you.
There are permanent deal-breaker situations. What they are differ from person to person. Briahna hints but doesn't state directly that the deal-breaker for her with Biden is his reneging on his student loan promise. Briahna has a shitton of student loan debt. She's talked about it often. Biden promised specifically what he would do - and then didn't. That "Lucy and the football" moment was (IMO) the deal-breaker for Briahna, as had Biden kept his promise it would have changed her life massively for the better - and permanently.
I don't have any student loan debt and never did (thanks mom and dad) but I can empathize with someone who does. I think this lack of empathy is what you two are missing.
You crediting warmonger Joe Biden for ending the war in afghanistan is totally disingenuous if not outright dishonest and insulting to your audience. We aren’t dumb Democrat Shitlibs, who swallow whatever nonsense you tell them. We know full well, as do you, that it was Trump who ordered the withdrawal to be completed by a certain date and all Biden did was continue the policy. Now, i’m not suggesting for one minute that a rude, ignorant, racist, misogynist, totally unsuitable for high office is the answer, but enough about Biden (Lol Joke). Seriously though, Biden is clearly - if you’re honest - declining cognitively and his “gaffes” are becoming more apparent and regular. Everyone can see he doesn’t know where he is or what he’s doing half the time and clearly doesn’t have a grip on what’s being done in his name. He’s told what to say which is why his utterances seem so bizarre and out of touch. From the possibility of a UAW strike to repeating that “Putin has already lost” - plainly ridiculous - he hasn’t a clue what’s happening. So that begs the question “Who is running the country?” ... because they weren’t elected to do it and are hurtling toward a possible nuclear confrontation with a superpower, with us in tow. It’s disgusting that Jill Biden is allowing this to continue and must be in on it, dressing and feeding him, preparing his “lines” and talking points for him. Changing the sheets and adult diapers are probably a state secret right now.
But you want people to vote for this? After spending the past few years being honest to audiences and saying the opposite? Nah, it’s a no go. State Democrats “doing good”? Simple : vote Dem down ballot if you must.
The diabolical plans to remake this country into a fascist dictatorship is literally the Republican plan. Public schools will be destroyed. Federal agencies will lose their autonomy. Thousands of non-partisan federal workers will be summarily fired. Abortion Rights will be completely gone across the country. Black History is being erased from schools and books that were okay in my white Catholic school in 1978 are banned in a 2023 classroom. Women’s health care is already under severe threat. Government in our bedrooms and doctors offices.
So many dangerous ideas have been suggested. Biden is not perfect but he has overall done a good job. We are safer globally under Biden by far. Listen to the 1000s of experts who study cults, Christian Nationalism, and fascism.
"I will never allow myself to be put in a situation where basically my only real presidential choices are shoot me and stab me... You're not going to tell me or anyone else that we now have to vote for that person"
"Its so clear now the whole "Vote Blue No Matter Who" line is a total con job.Designed to quash any dissent so they can shove any neoliberal corporatist nonsense down our throats. And we are just supposed to accept it all because at least it's not Donald Trump. "
Why can we assume Trump was so horrible?? He tried to do good things and actually did a few good things. He wrote legislation to let African Americans out of jail that Biden had put in jail for excessively long terms for non violent crimes. He started no new wars ( first president since Carter). He tried to establish good retaliations with Russia and North Korea. He tried to negotiate a positive end to the war in Afghanistan but was prevented from so doing, Biden's resolution has led to starvation and major hardship for Afghans. He wanted to use the very successful Covid treatment he received as president on the population but was prevented from so doing. According to Bloomberg the wealth gap between the upper 1% and the middle 60% has remained fairly constant during his time in office. It is ridiculous to blindly assume Trump is an existential threat to the country, in fact, the opposite could be the reality.
"On so many core issues, he's against us... Joe Biden pushed for NAFTA. He repeatedly pushed for TPP. He's a supporter of the Iraq War. On all the pivotal issues of his time, he was wrong. So stop overstating how bad Trump is. The country is going to exist in four years. And understating how bad Biden is. Because its annoying. I just don't agree with the people, who are like, 'He's a fascist. He's a nazi. The country is not going to exist in 4 years.' You're hyperbolic. And you're ridiculous"
"Responsibility is placed solely on the voters to suck it up and vote for Joe. I'm not buying it. The moment we say 'Don't worry Joe. We're all going to back you up'. Is the moment that the establishment sees they can do whatever they want to us, and still sell out the working class for all eternity and we're just going to take it"
K&K is trying to find something tangible amongst our world completely immersed in nihilism. Everyday I dwell on the despair, doom and ever expanding homeless camps all around me, while knowing nothing will ever improve with the "way things are" industries/leaders in charge. This while knowing our entire planet is changing to kill us off, thanks to the "way things are" and absolutely nothing being done about it, as the people causing the mess are also running things.
Additionally dwelling on my dollar to dollar existence making a "premium" wage, with zero future as I pay 50% of my income on rent with a job that could go any moment if the price is right. Our soliders fight on behalf of landlords, corporations and extending pollution. The military being the #1 polluter on the planet and expendature, but we're told to focus on welfare cheats. It's extremely hard to find tangible things to accept as wins, but I guess they're trying.
Personally I support Cornel West, but also feel our entire species is doomed no matter what. We've collectively mopped ourselves into a corner.
I really didn't appreciate how you treated Bri to start... But like kyle is unhinged. It is so unprofessional and childish. And to say we should just settle for Biden is exactly opposite of what you used to preach. It is quite odd. And to top it off, y'all couldn't even articulate your argument. Y'all should put out a statement of apology to your subscribers.
I swear, these people can not or will not recognize these changes in Biden and the Democratic party came from the Bernie campaign and that movement, and not destructive rehtoric about democrats are as bad as if not worst than Trump and the Republicans like they want a third party candidate to do. Kyle a founder fo the justice democrats sees what that group envisioned, which was a shift in the partys goals. A completely different strategy than doing a third party, that was way more likely to achieve goals quickly. I respect Kyles realistic outlook on how to get where the left wants us to be, while still being clear about how far away from that future we are. You can win over people more easily by being polite and kind. Saying good things about democrats moving left is not a bad thing. They are going to move to where they see they get the most votes from. Atleast thats the way it is suppose to work in them representing us not being our leaders.
Krystal and Kyle are sitting here with full stomachs telling us to be thankful for Biden’s crumbs. They really have become cartoonishly awful. The Betty and Barney Rubble of the left. (Because Cenk and Ana are Fred and Wilma, obviously)
What about Biden's disastrous war in Ukraine? What about Biden's senility and pending impeachment? What about endless inflation? What about plans to conjure up another fake pandemic? W hat about the DNC'S war on RFK, Jr.? Please get relevant
K and K are now officially part of the problem- sit down plebes, fear Trump and be grateful for diaper Joe’s Forever War and insane levels of inflation (which doesn’t touch them). Pathetic.
I've been watching Kyle for about 10 years, and Krystal since her early days on Rising. This "interview" was not your finest hour. I find it ironic that Krystal repeatedly sounds like Chris Matthews in his embarassing interview on BP with her "I live in the real world." Kyle needs some coaching on how to act professional when disagreeing with someone.
Instead of trying to brow beat Briahna into accepting your point of view you would do yourselves and your show a lot of favors by trying to understand WHY Briahna doesn't agree with you. She is clearly a very intelligent and informed person who has a different perspective than the two of you.
There are permanent deal-breaker situations. What they are differ from person to person. Briahna hints but doesn't state directly that the deal-breaker for her with Biden is his reneging on his student loan promise. Briahna has a shitton of student loan debt. She's talked about it often. Biden promised specifically what he would do - and then didn't. That "Lucy and the football" moment was (IMO) the deal-breaker for Briahna, as had Biden kept his promise it would have changed her life massively for the better - and permanently.
I don't have any student loan debt and never did (thanks mom and dad) but I can empathize with someone who does. I think this lack of empathy is what you two are missing.
[edit] typo - remove an extraneous word
You crediting warmonger Joe Biden for ending the war in afghanistan is totally disingenuous if not outright dishonest and insulting to your audience. We aren’t dumb Democrat Shitlibs, who swallow whatever nonsense you tell them. We know full well, as do you, that it was Trump who ordered the withdrawal to be completed by a certain date and all Biden did was continue the policy. Now, i’m not suggesting for one minute that a rude, ignorant, racist, misogynist, totally unsuitable for high office is the answer, but enough about Biden (Lol Joke). Seriously though, Biden is clearly - if you’re honest - declining cognitively and his “gaffes” are becoming more apparent and regular. Everyone can see he doesn’t know where he is or what he’s doing half the time and clearly doesn’t have a grip on what’s being done in his name. He’s told what to say which is why his utterances seem so bizarre and out of touch. From the possibility of a UAW strike to repeating that “Putin has already lost” - plainly ridiculous - he hasn’t a clue what’s happening. So that begs the question “Who is running the country?” ... because they weren’t elected to do it and are hurtling toward a possible nuclear confrontation with a superpower, with us in tow. It’s disgusting that Jill Biden is allowing this to continue and must be in on it, dressing and feeding him, preparing his “lines” and talking points for him. Changing the sheets and adult diapers are probably a state secret right now.
But you want people to vote for this? After spending the past few years being honest to audiences and saying the opposite? Nah, it’s a no go. State Democrats “doing good”? Simple : vote Dem down ballot if you must.
The diabolical plans to remake this country into a fascist dictatorship is literally the Republican plan. Public schools will be destroyed. Federal agencies will lose their autonomy. Thousands of non-partisan federal workers will be summarily fired. Abortion Rights will be completely gone across the country. Black History is being erased from schools and books that were okay in my white Catholic school in 1978 are banned in a 2023 classroom. Women’s health care is already under severe threat. Government in our bedrooms and doctors offices.
So many dangerous ideas have been suggested. Biden is not perfect but he has overall done a good job. We are safer globally under Biden by far. Listen to the 1000s of experts who study cults, Christian Nationalism, and fascism.
"I will never allow myself to be put in a situation where basically my only real presidential choices are shoot me and stab me... You're not going to tell me or anyone else that we now have to vote for that person"
-- (Vintage) Krystal Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peaZUuvec0k
"Its so clear now the whole "Vote Blue No Matter Who" line is a total con job.Designed to quash any dissent so they can shove any neoliberal corporatist nonsense down our throats. And we are just supposed to accept it all because at least it's not Donald Trump. "
-- (Vintage) Krystal Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peaZUuvec0k
Why can we assume Trump was so horrible?? He tried to do good things and actually did a few good things. He wrote legislation to let African Americans out of jail that Biden had put in jail for excessively long terms for non violent crimes. He started no new wars ( first president since Carter). He tried to establish good retaliations with Russia and North Korea. He tried to negotiate a positive end to the war in Afghanistan but was prevented from so doing, Biden's resolution has led to starvation and major hardship for Afghans. He wanted to use the very successful Covid treatment he received as president on the population but was prevented from so doing. According to Bloomberg the wealth gap between the upper 1% and the middle 60% has remained fairly constant during his time in office. It is ridiculous to blindly assume Trump is an existential threat to the country, in fact, the opposite could be the reality.
Kyle Kulinski on Joe Biden:
"On so many core issues, he's against us... Joe Biden pushed for NAFTA. He repeatedly pushed for TPP. He's a supporter of the Iraq War. On all the pivotal issues of his time, he was wrong. So stop overstating how bad Trump is. The country is going to exist in four years. And understating how bad Biden is. Because its annoying. I just don't agree with the people, who are like, 'He's a fascist. He's a nazi. The country is not going to exist in 4 years.' You're hyperbolic. And you're ridiculous"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH2uhKxDnnw&t=1s
Squabbling about Biden and Trump does nothing to fix the problem with the House and traitorous Republicans..
"Responsibility is placed solely on the voters to suck it up and vote for Joe. I'm not buying it. The moment we say 'Don't worry Joe. We're all going to back you up'. Is the moment that the establishment sees they can do whatever they want to us, and still sell out the working class for all eternity and we're just going to take it"
-- (Vintage) Krystal Ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peaZUuvec0k
K&K is trying to find something tangible amongst our world completely immersed in nihilism. Everyday I dwell on the despair, doom and ever expanding homeless camps all around me, while knowing nothing will ever improve with the "way things are" industries/leaders in charge. This while knowing our entire planet is changing to kill us off, thanks to the "way things are" and absolutely nothing being done about it, as the people causing the mess are also running things.
Additionally dwelling on my dollar to dollar existence making a "premium" wage, with zero future as I pay 50% of my income on rent with a job that could go any moment if the price is right. Our soliders fight on behalf of landlords, corporations and extending pollution. The military being the #1 polluter on the planet and expendature, but we're told to focus on welfare cheats. It's extremely hard to find tangible things to accept as wins, but I guess they're trying.
Personally I support Cornel West, but also feel our entire species is doomed no matter what. We've collectively mopped ourselves into a corner.
Thx you’ve degenerated yourselves with this Trump silliness.
Bye
I really didn't appreciate how you treated Bri to start... But like kyle is unhinged. It is so unprofessional and childish. And to say we should just settle for Biden is exactly opposite of what you used to preach. It is quite odd. And to top it off, y'all couldn't even articulate your argument. Y'all should put out a statement of apology to your subscribers.
I swear, these people can not or will not recognize these changes in Biden and the Democratic party came from the Bernie campaign and that movement, and not destructive rehtoric about democrats are as bad as if not worst than Trump and the Republicans like they want a third party candidate to do. Kyle a founder fo the justice democrats sees what that group envisioned, which was a shift in the partys goals. A completely different strategy than doing a third party, that was way more likely to achieve goals quickly. I respect Kyles realistic outlook on how to get where the left wants us to be, while still being clear about how far away from that future we are. You can win over people more easily by being polite and kind. Saying good things about democrats moving left is not a bad thing. They are going to move to where they see they get the most votes from. Atleast thats the way it is suppose to work in them representing us not being our leaders.