I have to agree with you. Sadly most of the time, it's just bad faith takes on an otherwise cogent argument.
I'm hoping that Krystal and Kyle will be able to have a good conversation, because that's what they are good at. But I'm not holding out too much hope for Vaush.
I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised. Or at least that's the hope.
I have to agree with you. Sadly most of the time, it's just bad faith takes on an otherwise cogent argument.
I'm hoping that Krystal and Kyle will be able to have a good conversation, because that's what they are good at. But I'm not holding out too much hope for Vaush.
I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised. Or at least that's the hope.
i’ve seen enough of vaush (and his endlessly steamrolling / attacking the people he debates before they’ve even tried to make a point) to just not care enough to watch. he reminds me of so many of the other insular “leftist” LARPers i knew back when i lived in seattle where he does who constantly attack each other and then wonder why bill gates and jeff bezos run everything there. let me know what happens i guess. i just can’t with that guy anymore. krystal and kyle will eventually figure out that he’s not worth the time of day.
This is perhaps the one valid criticism I've seen, even if I don't agree 100%. I agree with Vaush that at times there's a value to going hard on certain interlocutors, especially when those people are themselves bad faith. The mere optics of being rhetorically body slammed WORKS when it comes to convincing people on the right that their faux intellectual demagogue is completely full of shit.
Yes, at times Vaush has gone overboard on people who, if not certainly, then at least seemingly do not bring it on themselves. But he gets called out on it by his own community, and he has spoken multiple times about his own self-awareness of this fact. He has gotten better over time, is all I really have to say about it in the end.
None of your other criticisms are worth a damn, but this one is at least somewhat fair in my opinion lmao
You really don't like him do you? Like Jesus dude, you're commenting on everyone's stuff hate bashing him. What's any of the most recent content you've watched of his?
I agree with all both of you said, but I will watch it too.
Mostly cos, his own channel is absolutely unwatchable trash.
And yes, Lars, brace yourself for army of his 12-year-old self-proclaimed 'Marxist-Leninist' cultist followers! :D
As for a 'surprise': it's possible.
It did surprise me already that for most of his interview with Hakim, I did not have such a strong desire to smack him in the face, as I usually do.. :D
His stuff is actually pretty good. I watch him, pakman, Kyle and everyone else. He has some bad opinions on things but often grows to challenge those opinions like us.
Oh, I'm very familiar with his latest 'transformation' into market / liberal socialist, which is pretty much an ideology in which I'm raised, but I still think that his followers are the cult of trendy privileged lil brats (same as he is). ;)
Yet, credit where credit is due: let's see what he has to say!
@Joselito Duric Lol what are you talking about? Vaush has been a market socialist/libertarian socialist the entire time he’s made videos . That’s always been his position LOL
So wait, between being just a lazy gamer and 'enlightened' libertarian socialist (so: year and a half ago), wasn't he calling himself a 'Marxist-Leninist'?
It's hard to follow what you guys call yourselves while you're streaming a game, pleasuring each other and trolling everyone else.. :D
No . He never called himself that. He fucking comes after MLs all the fucking time and never held that position since he started making videos years ago. You obviously don’t listen to anything he actually says and just straw man and listen to dumb fucks talk shit about him instead of actually hearing what he says. And I guarantee I work harder than you’ve ever worked in your life , I’m a landscaper you stupid fuck. Just because I appreciate modern gaming doesn’t mean I’m lazy you stupid piece of garbage . How about you actually listen to people instead of straw Manning and smearing them . Maybe you’ll actually learn something
To set this straight: I did not call you lazy, nor I have clue what you do for living. I called him that. And no matter what he claims his ideology is, he is herding you into his cult of personality, which is most contradictory to libertarian socialism. One day you might learn that, if you pull your head out of his ass...
You absolutely called me lazy. You said “lazy gamer” as in anyone that enjoys playing video games is somehow lazy. Ridiculous nonsense . And no, he isn’t “herding” anyone into cult of personality . I like Vaush because he makes right wingers look and feel unbelievably stupid and because I agree with the policy prescriptions he supports and his ideology. If he changed his opinions and ideology I wouldn’t change because Vaush did . That’s what a cult of personality is which isn’t even close to what Vaush and his community is. He gets challenged by his own community all the time. You’ve clearly just listened to like 3 clipped videos of him and jumped to conclusions based on what others have said about him which tells me everything I need to know about your intellectual honesty 👍🏼
Sorry buddy, I have no time to listen to his ranting for hours (I've heard more than enough of it). Someone has to make these games that you guys are playing..
And as I said: I will watch this interview, and (try to) objectively asset his political positions and 'intellectual honestly'.
But 'stay in touch' and let me know if you need a help with ideological realignment once all the zeal and cultism is gone, OK?
Incorrect Vaush nor his fans "proclaim themselves to be Marxist-Leninist", if you make a critique of someone it would help to know the most basic information about them. "I'm very familiar with his latest 'transformation' into market / liberal socialist, which is pretty much an ideology in which I'm raised" this statement has too many holes in it to count, so onto another "I did not have such a strong desire to smack him in the face, as I usually do.. :D" ah very intelligent wanting to commit violence against someone who disagrees with you politically. I mean I could just quote more dumb things you've said but I think we can conclude from this you have major case VDS seek medical attention soon.
I have to agree with you. Sadly most of the time, it's just bad faith takes on an otherwise cogent argument.
I'm hoping that Krystal and Kyle will be able to have a good conversation, because that's what they are good at. But I'm not holding out too much hope for Vaush.
I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised. Or at least that's the hope.
i’ve seen enough of vaush (and his endlessly steamrolling / attacking the people he debates before they’ve even tried to make a point) to just not care enough to watch. he reminds me of so many of the other insular “leftist” LARPers i knew back when i lived in seattle where he does who constantly attack each other and then wonder why bill gates and jeff bezos run everything there. let me know what happens i guess. i just can’t with that guy anymore. krystal and kyle will eventually figure out that he’s not worth the time of day.
This is perhaps the one valid criticism I've seen, even if I don't agree 100%. I agree with Vaush that at times there's a value to going hard on certain interlocutors, especially when those people are themselves bad faith. The mere optics of being rhetorically body slammed WORKS when it comes to convincing people on the right that their faux intellectual demagogue is completely full of shit.
Yes, at times Vaush has gone overboard on people who, if not certainly, then at least seemingly do not bring it on themselves. But he gets called out on it by his own community, and he has spoken multiple times about his own self-awareness of this fact. He has gotten better over time, is all I really have to say about it in the end.
None of your other criticisms are worth a damn, but this one is at least somewhat fair in my opinion lmao
You really don't like him do you? Like Jesus dude, you're commenting on everyone's stuff hate bashing him. What's any of the most recent content you've watched of his?
I agree with all both of you said, but I will watch it too.
Mostly cos, his own channel is absolutely unwatchable trash.
And yes, Lars, brace yourself for army of his 12-year-old self-proclaimed 'Marxist-Leninist' cultist followers! :D
As for a 'surprise': it's possible.
It did surprise me already that for most of his interview with Hakim, I did not have such a strong desire to smack him in the face, as I usually do.. :D
You obviously aren't familiar with (at least the current) Vaush content... He is pretty much the opposite of a Marxist Leninist...
His stuff is actually pretty good. I watch him, pakman, Kyle and everyone else. He has some bad opinions on things but often grows to challenge those opinions like us.
woooooo a nuanced opinion snuck in under the reactionist radar. Tip of the hat Matt.
Oh, I'm very familiar with his latest 'transformation' into market / liberal socialist, which is pretty much an ideology in which I'm raised, but I still think that his followers are the cult of trendy privileged lil brats (same as he is). ;)
Yet, credit where credit is due: let's see what he has to say!
@Joselito Duric Lol what are you talking about? Vaush has been a market socialist/libertarian socialist the entire time he’s made videos . That’s always been his position LOL
So wait, between being just a lazy gamer and 'enlightened' libertarian socialist (so: year and a half ago), wasn't he calling himself a 'Marxist-Leninist'?
It's hard to follow what you guys call yourselves while you're streaming a game, pleasuring each other and trolling everyone else.. :D
No . He never called himself that. He fucking comes after MLs all the fucking time and never held that position since he started making videos years ago. You obviously don’t listen to anything he actually says and just straw man and listen to dumb fucks talk shit about him instead of actually hearing what he says. And I guarantee I work harder than you’ve ever worked in your life , I’m a landscaper you stupid fuck. Just because I appreciate modern gaming doesn’t mean I’m lazy you stupid piece of garbage . How about you actually listen to people instead of straw Manning and smearing them . Maybe you’ll actually learn something
To set this straight: I did not call you lazy, nor I have clue what you do for living. I called him that. And no matter what he claims his ideology is, he is herding you into his cult of personality, which is most contradictory to libertarian socialism. One day you might learn that, if you pull your head out of his ass...
You absolutely called me lazy. You said “lazy gamer” as in anyone that enjoys playing video games is somehow lazy. Ridiculous nonsense . And no, he isn’t “herding” anyone into cult of personality . I like Vaush because he makes right wingers look and feel unbelievably stupid and because I agree with the policy prescriptions he supports and his ideology. If he changed his opinions and ideology I wouldn’t change because Vaush did . That’s what a cult of personality is which isn’t even close to what Vaush and his community is. He gets challenged by his own community all the time. You’ve clearly just listened to like 3 clipped videos of him and jumped to conclusions based on what others have said about him which tells me everything I need to know about your intellectual honesty 👍🏼
Sorry buddy, I have no time to listen to his ranting for hours (I've heard more than enough of it). Someone has to make these games that you guys are playing..
And as I said: I will watch this interview, and (try to) objectively asset his political positions and 'intellectual honestly'.
But 'stay in touch' and let me know if you need a help with ideological realignment once all the zeal and cultism is gone, OK?
So what's your take now?
There's a cult of personality that surrounds Marx and Lenin too.
It's like every new criticism you pull out of your ass is even more shallow and vague than the last.
Incorrect Vaush nor his fans "proclaim themselves to be Marxist-Leninist", if you make a critique of someone it would help to know the most basic information about them. "I'm very familiar with his latest 'transformation' into market / liberal socialist, which is pretty much an ideology in which I'm raised" this statement has too many holes in it to count, so onto another "I did not have such a strong desire to smack him in the face, as I usually do.. :D" ah very intelligent wanting to commit violence against someone who disagrees with you politically. I mean I could just quote more dumb things you've said but I think we can conclude from this you have major case VDS seek medical attention soon.
Monitors must cost you millions! ^_^
🤫 My company is providing them for WFH.. 😁
😂 That's perfect!