I said at the very begin, that I want to hear what he has to say, specifically about market socialism (in which I was born), without all the noise and trashing.
But before they even released the video, we got the whole pack here (Woof! Woof!), as Lars predicted.
So again, tell me please how are you different than any other cult: religious people, authoritarian leftists, right wingers, Trump MAGA, Blue MAGA, etc.
And please name one single libertarian socialist / anarcho-communist that has build such cult of blind following (in such a short time)? (p.s. Lenin was an authoritarian, by any measure)
I just think it's a misnomer to describe his fans and their behavior as cult-like, just as it would be a misnomer to say people who defend Marx or Lenin are cultists (p.s., I mentioned Lenin specifically because of his faults, i.e., my point was that people call him out for what he gets wrong).
It's especially fallacious when much of the criticism seen here has been as devoid of actual thought as the kind of behavior one would typically associate with cultists.
Oh, I don't like Vaush because he grew up in Beverly Hills, or oh, I don't like Vaush because he's popular and aggressive in debate, or oh, I don't like Vaush because false accusation of pedophilia.
If responses to these kinds of vapid criticisms is what gets framed as "cult-like," it seems to me like you're just trying to force a square peg into a round hole. I mean, be my guest if you like, but if your best take is "hurrr Vaush cultists" you're not going to be making any gains with anyone who doesn't already share your disposition.
Ow, is that another word you learned since you become a socialist (six months ago)?
Born and raised in market socialist country and worked most of my life in worker co-op environment. So I don't need 24 year old bullshitter (Vaush that would be, not you Joey-pup) to preach me these terms nor I need a pack of other feeble minded sycophants to fortify my beliefs.
So again: any kind of cultism and blind following, as your friend who wishes me dead, not even coz we disagree politically, but just coz I insulted his fellow cultists, is absolutely contradictory to liberal socialism (or anarcho-communism).
Then there's your answer then. You're not his target audience cause you already have what Vaush advocates for economically in the short term. For the rest of us who want to be able to participate in that sort of system eventually we greatly appreciate him.
He is one guy who will help us get there and the simplicity of his arguments and topic selection are great. Anecdotally, I had a stint in 2017 where I investigated the right after Trump won to figure out how. Before this I was Bernie or bust. Actually wrote in Bernie during the 2016 election cause I was ubset with how the DNC handled the primary. Went through people like Sargon and Shapiro during this and some of their populist arguments started to affect me. I broke out of it eventually and went back to my usual progressive self but a few of those arguments still stuck because a lot of progressive discourse didn't address them directly (watched Krystal on Rising, Kyle, Abe Lincoln's Top Hat, Maddow, Hasan Minaj and a few others long before I found Vaush. I just started watching him like two months ago tbh). They just seemed to never address them. Vaush was the one who finally broke those arguments' spells for me and that was cause of 1. his debate format forcing him to have to encounter/address them, and 2. the simplicity/layman nature of his arguments.
I just think there were many people on this channel that were much more worth listening: Wolff, Chomsky, Cornel West, Matt Taibbi.. (all liberal leftists)..
You’re a fucking caricature of a human being LOL
Thank you! You are too kind. ;)
I'll take that any time, rather than being somebody's barking dog, puppy!
You're barking back right now, just in the opposite direction.
Vagueposting BS, no actual criticism. Boring.
I said at the very begin, that I want to hear what he has to say, specifically about market socialism (in which I was born), without all the noise and trashing.
But before they even released the video, we got the whole pack here (Woof! Woof!), as Lars predicted.
So again, tell me please how are you different than any other cult: religious people, authoritarian leftists, right wingers, Trump MAGA, Blue MAGA, etc.
And please name one single libertarian socialist / anarcho-communist that has build such cult of blind following (in such a short time)? (p.s. Lenin was an authoritarian, by any measure)
Krystal got me into her cult in a day. It took Vaush two.
I just think it's a misnomer to describe his fans and their behavior as cult-like, just as it would be a misnomer to say people who defend Marx or Lenin are cultists (p.s., I mentioned Lenin specifically because of his faults, i.e., my point was that people call him out for what he gets wrong).
It's especially fallacious when much of the criticism seen here has been as devoid of actual thought as the kind of behavior one would typically associate with cultists.
Oh, I don't like Vaush because he grew up in Beverly Hills, or oh, I don't like Vaush because he's popular and aggressive in debate, or oh, I don't like Vaush because false accusation of pedophilia.
If responses to these kinds of vapid criticisms is what gets framed as "cult-like," it seems to me like you're just trying to force a square peg into a round hole. I mean, be my guest if you like, but if your best take is "hurrr Vaush cultists" you're not going to be making any gains with anyone who doesn't already share your disposition.
Nah your just a reactionary...
Ow, is that another word you learned since you become a socialist (six months ago)?
Born and raised in market socialist country and worked most of my life in worker co-op environment. So I don't need 24 year old bullshitter (Vaush that would be, not you Joey-pup) to preach me these terms nor I need a pack of other feeble minded sycophants to fortify my beliefs.
So again: any kind of cultism and blind following, as your friend who wishes me dead, not even coz we disagree politically, but just coz I insulted his fellow cultists, is absolutely contradictory to liberal socialism (or anarcho-communism).
Then there's your answer then. You're not his target audience cause you already have what Vaush advocates for economically in the short term. For the rest of us who want to be able to participate in that sort of system eventually we greatly appreciate him.
Fair enough. If you believe that HE is the guy who'll lead you there (which I don't)- go ahead!
Though, I still don't understand all cultism and zeal?
He is one guy who will help us get there and the simplicity of his arguments and topic selection are great. Anecdotally, I had a stint in 2017 where I investigated the right after Trump won to figure out how. Before this I was Bernie or bust. Actually wrote in Bernie during the 2016 election cause I was ubset with how the DNC handled the primary. Went through people like Sargon and Shapiro during this and some of their populist arguments started to affect me. I broke out of it eventually and went back to my usual progressive self but a few of those arguments still stuck because a lot of progressive discourse didn't address them directly (watched Krystal on Rising, Kyle, Abe Lincoln's Top Hat, Maddow, Hasan Minaj and a few others long before I found Vaush. I just started watching him like two months ago tbh). They just seemed to never address them. Vaush was the one who finally broke those arguments' spells for me and that was cause of 1. his debate format forcing him to have to encounter/address them, and 2. the simplicity/layman nature of his arguments.
So there's my anecdotal answer to your question.
I'm glad for your transformation.
I just think there were many people on this channel that were much more worth listening: Wolff, Chomsky, Cornel West, Matt Taibbi.. (all liberal leftists)..
I can share portions of my youtube watch history if you have doubts.
Yo wtf dude. I like vaush a lot but I'm not gunna hope this clown gets cancer and dies 🤣
Thanks for concerns, but it's all under control, says my dermatologist. ;)
Wtf, behave bro
so are u joey honestly chill dawg